Exploring Critical Thinking: A Deep Dive into 'You Are Not So Smart'

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So let's get going.

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All right.

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So in this episode, I'm going to be discussing the, you

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are not so smart podcast.

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No, I'm not calling you stupid.

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Okay.

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And neither is this podcast, but once you start your binging journey

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with this podcast, you're going to discover what you think, you

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know, may not be based in reality.

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Now, I discovered this podcast early in my podcast journey and have been

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a faithful follower of it for years.

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When I saw the name of this podcast at first, I took it as a challenge

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and I was a little put off.

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Now I have a master's degree in theater pedagogy and I think of myself as a

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relatively well informed person, but once I heard the first episode, I felt

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this would be cool if school was set up this way, you know, and I would be

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much more intelligent than I am today.

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When I listened to the podcast, it reminds me of one time in

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school when a professor asked his students what they wanted to learn.

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And I replied, I want to know what I don't know.

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And I don't know what I don't know.

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Now that's quite a conundrum to be in for sure.

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And that professor probably didn't ask that question ever again,

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but how do you solve for that?

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You know, when you don't know what you don't know.

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Well, this podcast helps me answer that question with each and every episode.

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It also reminds me of, of a philosophy class that I took in college.

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At the start of my academic journey, the professor I had in that class really got

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us thinking critically about thinking and allowed our group's final project

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to prove that our rooms thermostat had consciousness and free will.

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I think the academic world would benefit from taking a listen to this podcast and

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instill a mindset of critical thinking versus just accepting what one person

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is teaching, no matter the subject.

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So let's go ahead and get to the stats.

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The host is David McRaney and at the time of this recording it has 291 episodes.

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Some of them are rebroadcast so that affects the numbers a bit.

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The average length is about 60 minutes and the first episode

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dropped on April 22nd of 2012.

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It's been going on for quite some time.

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The description is as followed.

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You are not so smart is a show about psychology that celebrates

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science and self delusion.

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In each episode, we explore what we've learned so far about.

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reasoning, biases, judgment, and decision making.

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The genre of this podcast is science, social science, management,

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and education, and the frequency lately has been twice a month.

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Now, there is a Facebook and Twitter or X community tied to the podcast.

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Listen Notes rates this podcast in the top 0.

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1 percent of podcasts listened to on their site.

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And Good Pods rates this podcast as number four in top 100.

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Neuroscience all time number 17 in the top 100 psychology of all time number

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three in the top 100 Mind all time, number five in the top 100 brain all time,

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number 30 in the top 100 health all time.

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this podcast from those respective sites.

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Reviews of the podcast from Apple Podcasts show many five star ratings.

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However, there are one and two star ratings from people who really have issues

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with the show's politics and approach.

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I'm going to start off this section a bit differently than I have in past episodes.

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Yes, of course, I'm going to start off with sound quality, but I do need to

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let you know that there is a difference in the quality of the host and the

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guest, and it's almost night and day.

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Now, keep in mind that this podcast started in 2012 when we didn't have

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many good options for remote recording.

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Many of the guests sound as if they were on a phone calling into the interview.

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So, In later episodes, the sound quality of the guests gets better as now we have

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better choices for remote interviews.

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Now, as a podcaster, it's a bit distracting for me to hear the

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difference the first few minutes, but then I get swept away with the

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quality of the questions and how Mr.

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McGraney.

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Leaves enough space for the guests to fully answer the questions

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and provide some needed insight.

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Now this affects my listening to the podcast.

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It may not affect your listening to it, but I come into this

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podcast with podcasters ears.

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So for you, again, may not be an issue, but you do need to know going

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into this podcast that there is a sound issue and going back to all

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those previous interviews and fixing the issue would be a monumental task.

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And that task would only be beneficial to a very few people.

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small subset of listeners.

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So really I don't think he should go back and fix it as it really doesn't affect the

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meat of the interview for most listeners.

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Now another issue that I have is it takes a bit to get used to

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how he introduces his episodes.

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Sometimes it's right there for you and at other times it takes you a while to

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understand what you're going to get.

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I recommend patience when dealing with this as a listener because

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the episodes do pay off in the end.

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There's nothing for a new listener to get a hint of what they're getting into.

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So that's a bit of a knock that I think could be better.

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However, when he does get to what the show is about, David makes it worth your while.

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In this clip from the first episode, it comes in at a little over four minutes.

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But it's well

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worth the wait.

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In this episode, we were exploring attention and we're going to talk to

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an expert on that topic, Daniel Simons, a professor and psychologist in the

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department of psychology and the Beckman Institute for Advanced Science and

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Technology at the University of Illinois.

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His research explores the limits of your mind and also why

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you're unaware of those limits.

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He also teaches classes in visual cognition and

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introductory psychology there.

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And of course he is the coauthor with Christopher Shabrie

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of the invisible gorilla.

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Which is a really great book about other ways that we miss what's going

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on around us and make false assumptions about the world, similar to how we do

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in the invisible gorilla experiment.

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Now that's a really good introduction to the episode.

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But like I said, it happens at a little over four minutes.

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Now conversely, in the 199th episode, he introduces the topic from the

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very start.

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This is one of those episodes that's just a conversation without any goals in mind.

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And it really doesn't.

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We just kind of go everywhere.

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It goes off the rails quite a bit.

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But that's because the conversation is with a mathematician and

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I rarely get a chance to talk to someone in that discipline.

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The mathematician is Milo Beckman, who wrote a book titled Math Without Numbers.

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This is a fun, weird, quirky new book with lots of pictures in it

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that really does explain everything from extra dimensions to multiple

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infinities to advanced topologies.

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And other very high minded mathematical concepts without using any numbers at all.

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It's just about the ideas and the implication of those ideas.

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And that seemed like something I would love to talk about.

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Now, if

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this was your first episode, You may have tuned out right away,

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but you would miss out on a great topic of mathematics because he

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kind of lets you know ahead of time that it's going to go in a bunch

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of different and weird directions.

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And you may be thinking, eh, do I really want to listen to that?

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But trust me, when he gets to the topic, the payoff is well worth

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the time it takes to get there.

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It's like a great joke.

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It may take a long time to get to that joke, but once the punchline

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hits, which is the topic, you know, of the podcast, you're going to

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have a great experience with it.

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So we know that the guest audio is not always the best and doesn't match

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the quality of David's, but how he introduces his guest and doesn't

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do a double intro is masterful.

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In this next clip, he's introducing the guest and giving a detailed

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background of the guest so you know why they are on the show and how their

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thoughts relate to the topic at hand.

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Our guest in this episode is Lazlo Bock, the Senior Vice President

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of People Operations for Google Incorporated, basically the head of

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their massive, never been done before HR department that goes about trying to

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figure out the best way to get people, to keep people, to make people better,

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to get people to be happy and effective and just create this strange world.

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Thanks And often wonderful place known as Google, which is known as being

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among most people and most categories and most places that rank this kind

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of thing is the best company to work for in most of the countries in which

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they have offices and they have 50, 000 employees in 70 offices worldwide.

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So this HR department is massive and huge and interesting and cool.

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It's written a new book called work rules, which is all about how they've

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gone about Making the decisions they've made, how they arrived at

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them, all the research they did and what you can do like what they did.

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Laszlo has testified before Congress on immigration reform.

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He's worked for General Electric and McKinsey and company, and he's just done

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a lot of really interesting, cool stuff.

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And now that he's at Google, he's trying to apply the science of psychology

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and neuroscience and sociology and all the behavioral and social things

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that we've learned over the years.

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In a big work environment to see what does and does not stick, what

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should, it should not be done.

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And you're going to hear all about that in this interview.

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Let's pick his.

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When hearing this intro, you know why the guest is appearing on the

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show and what value they're going to be providing for the topic of this episode.

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It helps you decide if this episode is for you or not.

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And that is something I feel most podcasters should do for their listeners.

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Save them the time and they will appreciate you and come back.

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Not every episode is for every listener and that's okay, but give us listeners

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a chance to make up our own minds.

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David does that just not in the usual places that you would normally think.

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Now, let's stay with the guests, not their sound quality, but let's, you know,

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talk about the guests and how David asks really open ended questions that allows

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the guests to expand and share their knowledge of the topic of the episode.

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Now, in this next clip, the question does not sound open ended at first, but the

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explanation the guest gives shows that it was a great question to ask and lets

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the guest provide value to the episode.

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To the overall episode and the show itself was

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math discovered or invented.

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It's a great question.

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I mean, my answer to that is I say discovered, but I think you have to break

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it down because math is a huge, huge overarching branching category of things.

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And I think like, first of all, when we're talking about math, people are generally

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talking about very different things.

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I sort of wish we had more precise language for it.

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Cause I think most people, they think of math and they're thinking of like

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specific sort of tools and techniques.

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So maybe like, you know, long division was invented, right?

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Or, you know, the specific ways of like writing down numerals

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and cross multiplying and stuff.

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That stuff was invented.

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But I think the underlying concepts of like this concept of number, this

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concept of quantity, these ideas of dimensions and, and infinity and shapes

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and structures and stuff, that stuff I think is pretty much discovered.

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And the best evidence I have for that is that many different independent

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cultures have sort of discovered more or less the same math and everyone kind

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of has a different language for it.

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Now, initially, this sounds like an either or question.

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However, as you can hear, it's not a simple answer because it depends on

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several factors, and the answer to the question of math being invented

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or discovered is actually both the guest is given space in this instance

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to fully answer the question and not just give a quick sound bite.

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All right, let's talk about how the show makes me feel.

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So the title, as we've discussed initially, challenged me.

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But after listening to numerous episodes, I feel educated after each

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episode and challenged to do the research myself on the topics presented

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and really rethink my positions.

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Now, sometimes they're confirmed.

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Sometimes I learn new things that I didn't get in decades of schooling.

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I know I can be a little bit of a nerd when I research something, even obsessive,

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and I'm familiar with medical journals and have even read on a few topics that

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interest me for research topics in school.

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However, I've never heard of publication bias until I heard

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this clip.

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Publication bias is usually the result of scientists doing research

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but not finding anything significant.

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Because there's nothing to show, they don't try to publish

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that research in a journal.

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So the journals are only showing things that worked out.

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All the stuff that didn't work out gets put into the file drawer.

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Thus, it is called the file drawer effect.

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The problem is, you end up with this imbalance.

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One idea, one model, might be made up of all these studies that show effects,

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when there are lots and lots of studies that didn't show anything significant.

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Now knowing this is an actual thing, it totally makes sense that

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researchers would only report on when their study proved their hypothesis.

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Or hypothesis.

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And never in my many years of schooling, did I hear about this topic.

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It's earth shattering that this happens and is allowed to happen under the guise

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of scientific discovery and research.

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Now, does that shake my confidence in the scientific community?

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Not really, but it does make me pause when I hear something

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coming from a medical journal.

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The goal is not to trash science or research.

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It's to get you to think critically about what's being presented to you.

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For me, when a podcast can make me rethink what I feel is true,

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that podcast is bingeable.

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If you've liked what you heard so far, then I'd like to ask

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you to go ahead and reach out.

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You can email me directly Timothy at find a podcast about dot X, Y, Z, or

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leave me a voicemail at the website.

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Find a podcast about dot X, Y, Z.

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I want to help you find your next binge worthy podcast.

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And if you want me to find you a podcast in any category that

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you're interested in, let me know.

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Now, if you're a podcaster and feel that your podcast would be served by appearing

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on this show, I want to talk to you to use the same methods of reaching out.

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I'm on Twitter at find a podcast, Instagram and Facebook at find

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Another thing I'd like to ask you is if you found value in this

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podcast, pass it along to a friend.

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Lastly, doing this podcast is a labor of love, but love ain't cheap.

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So consider to my buy me a coffee fund right there on the

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website or go to buymeacoffee.

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com slash find a podcast about each episode takes about five to seven

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hours of research and about two to three hours of production time.

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That's 10 hours for each episode.

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And let me tell you, that's a lot of coffee.

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Like I said earlier, the best recommendations come from a real person.

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So help me to help you outsmart the algorithm.

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All right.

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Here's where I turn you from a listener of find a podcast about to a

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binger of you are not so smart again.

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Don't let the title scare you off.

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David is not saying that you're stupid and he's trying to be better than you.

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He is just presenting ideas and topics that you thought you knew

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the answers to and helping you think critically about those topics.

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He comes to these topics with an open mind and a critical eye and

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provides a lot of himself and his experiences in each episode.

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Take a listen to this clip on how Google is attempting to make

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work suck less for its employees.

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I don't know about you, but I grew up in a culture that

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saw work as a necessary sin.

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Most of my family, they worked part time.

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blue collar jobs and therefore they had no problem with work life balance.

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You got off work and you did not think about it until the next morning.

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And on Sundays you dreaded the idea of Monday.

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You drew the very, the very concept of what Monday meant in the work ahead

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of you and the week ahead of you.

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And I spent time in that world myself.

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My first jobs were all construction jobs because my dad was an electrical engineer.

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And so I worked on his crews and we dug ditches and pulled cable.

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And we basically, we died in the sun every day.

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Now, David is bringing his background as a laborer to show

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that he is not somebody in a white academic tower spewing forth book

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knowledge with no real life knowledge.

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It's because he puts so much of himself in each episode that I listen.

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I feel like.

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He is me with my blue collar background.

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He is somebody I feel I can trust because we have similar experiences in life.

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And isn't that why we listened to many of the podcasts that we listened to?

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Another thing that I like is he anticipates the response he gets.

Timothy: 00:21:00

For some of his more controversial topics, listen to this disclaimer

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that he had about combating health advice from non experts.

David: 00:21:10

Now, to be clear, neither I nor Paul Offit think that anti

David: 00:21:13

vaxxers are stupid or that their emotions aren't understandable.

David: 00:21:18

Many people in that community are suffering and they want

David: 00:21:21

answers to why their children have been diagnosed with autism.

David: 00:21:25

Others are just concerned about their family members and loved ones or

David: 00:21:30

their parents who want the best for their new families, but in the media

David: 00:21:35

on television, especially Paul Offit vaccine expert has been telling people

David: 00:21:40

for years what science and medicine has to say about vaccines and how to

David: 00:21:44

navigate the complexities of vaccination.

David: 00:21:47

While non expert celebrities have been given equal time to counter

David: 00:21:51

argue the things he says, and in his estimation, That causes harm.

Timothy: 00:21:58

I feel he approaches these people with an open heart and the

Timothy: 00:22:01

idea that they mean well, but they are causing issues that literally have life

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and death circumstances in some cases.

Timothy: 00:22:09

Now, this episode that this clip was taken from occurred right before the pandemic of

Timothy: 00:22:13

2020, and we saw a lot of backlash against the medical community about vaccines.

Timothy: 00:22:19

I don't know if David has a crystal ball, but this episode was definitely timely.

Timothy: 00:22:26

Now, the last clip I want to share with you is a stroke of genius that we should

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all put into our playbooks as podcasters.

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Listen to this clip and learn how he solicits listener interaction.

David: 00:22:39

Okay.

David: 00:22:40

It's time for cookers.

David: 00:22:42

Each episode of the, you are not so smart podcast will end with me, David McCraney.

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reading you some psychology slash self delusion news.

David: 00:22:51

And while I do that, I will eat a cookie, which is baked from a recipe that is

David: 00:22:58

sent in from a reader slash listener.

David: 00:23:02

And if I pick your recipe and I make the cookie and I eat it, I

David: 00:23:06

will also send you a signed copy of the, you are not so smart book.

Timothy: 00:23:11

I mean, I want to send them a cookie recipe right now and have them eat

Timothy: 00:23:15

it while reading a study on psychology.

Timothy: 00:23:18

The idea is genius and tasty.

Timothy: 00:23:21

Just think about it for a minute.

Timothy: 00:23:23

You send in a recipe and have him try it out while he's on his show.

Timothy: 00:23:28

Everybody likes to be recognized and called out.

Timothy: 00:23:31

And David sounds like he's having a great time doing this.

Timothy: 00:23:35

I really enjoy listening to people who are enjoy what they're doing.

Timothy: 00:23:39

If for no other reason, listen to the end of each of these episodes

Timothy: 00:23:45

and you're going to have well over.

Timothy: 00:23:50

So where do you start your journey with You Are Not So Smart?

Timothy: 00:23:54

You could go to GoodPods and look up the most popular episodes.

Timothy: 00:23:58

Most of those recommendations start after episode 200, and I focused on

Timothy: 00:24:03

episodes before 200, and really enjoyed the 5 episodes that I took clips from.

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So, that might be a good place to start as well.

Timothy: 00:24:12

Go through the episode titles, and if there's something that you want

Timothy: 00:24:16

to learn more about, Use that method.

Timothy: 00:24:19

He's great with episode titles, so you know what you're getting into.

Timothy: 00:24:24

Let me know what some of your favorite episodes are, and you can thank me by

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leaving me a voicemail at my website, find a podcast about dot X, Y, Z,

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or you can send me an email, Timothy at find a podcast about dot X, Y, Z.

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So that's the episode.

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I want to thank you again for taking a listen.

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And if you want to outsmart the algorithm and have me review a podcast, Email

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me Timothy at find a podcast about dot X, Y, Z, or go to the website.

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Find a podcast about dot X, Y, Z, where you can listen to all the other

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episodes and leave me a voicemail.

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I'm here to help you find your next binge worthy podcast.

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And just let you know, I run another podcast called create art podcast, where

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I help my listeners tame their inner critic and create more than they consume.

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You can find it at createartpodcast.

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Head on over to Korean art podcast.

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